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ChatGPT on Authorizations and Appropriations, Executive Orders, and Judicial Discretion Copy Link View ChatGPTonAuthorizations Monday, February 10, 2025 at 9:26:14 am government, chatgpt, ai, appropriations, executive orders, judicial discretion Matt Collins

Here's the full text of a chat I had with ChatGPT about congressional authorizations vs. appropriations, executive orders, and judicial discretion.  I had the chat in response to a friend's Facebook post about DOGE and Trump withholding money that had been appropriated by Congress.  I believe ChatGPT does a good job of being objective here.  Even if I don't like the answers, I believe they're correct.  I can imagine ways, however, that Trump can still justify delaying some of these disbursements.

In any case, I enjoy the positive reinforcement ChatGPT gives when it thinks I've asked a fascinating question.  LOL.

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You said:

Is the executive branch required by law to actually disburse money that's been authorized and appropriated by Congress?

 

ChatGPT said:

It depends on the context, but generally, yes, the executive branch is legally required to disburse funds that have been appropriated by Congress—with some important nuances.

Here’s how it works:

Appropriations Power (Congress): Congress has the constitutional authority (Article I, Section 9) to appropriate funds from the U.S. Treasury. This means no money can be spent without Congress first passing a law authorizing the expenditure.

Duty to Disburse (Executive Branch): Once Congress appropriates funds, the executive branch (via agencies) is typically required to use the funds for the specified purpose. The Impoundment Control Act of 1974 specifically limits the president’s ability to refuse to spend appropriated funds. Under this act:

The president cannot simply withhold or delay funds without notifying Congress.

Congress must approve any formal rescission (cancellation) of funds.

Exceptions: There are some limited situations where funds might not be disbursed, such as:

Technical reasons: If legal or procedural hurdles arise.

Rescission requests: If Congress agrees to cancel the appropriation.

Continuing resolutions: Temporary spending measures may affect the timing and amount of disbursement.

Expired appropriations: Some funds are time-limited and can expire if not spent in time.

Are you thinking about a specific situation (like historical examples), or do you want to explore the broader legal and constitutional framework?

 

You said:

What about the situation where the government is running a deficit and doesn't have the money?

 

ChatGPT said:

Ah, great question. When the government is running a deficit and doesn’t have enough money in the Treasury to meet all its obligations, the situation gets trickier, but the requirement to disburse funds still exists, with some practical limitations:

How Does the Government Spend During a Deficit?

Borrowing: The U.S. Treasury routinely borrows money by issuing Treasury securities (bonds, notes, bills) to cover the gap between revenues and expenditures. This is the standard way the government handles deficits, and it enables continued disbursement of funds even when the Treasury is low on cash.

Debt Ceiling Constraints: If the debt ceiling has been reached, the Treasury cannot borrow more money, even if funds have been appropriated. In this case:

The government may delay certain payments to avoid defaulting on its debt obligations.

Prioritization of payments becomes a potential strategy—although legally controversial—where essential services or debt interest might be paid first while other expenditures are delayed.

Government Shutdowns: If Congress fails to pass a budget or a continuing resolution to fund the government, agencies may be forced to suspend operations and delay disbursement for non-essential activities. However, mandatory spending (e.g., Social Security, Medicare, interest on the debt) generally continues.

What Happens if the Treasury Truly Runs Out of Cash?

If the Treasury were unable to raise funds and exhausted all cash reserves, the government would enter default:

Payments for obligations could be delayed or missed, even for authorized and appropriated expenditures.

This is considered a catastrophic scenario, leading to severe economic consequences, including damage to the U.S. credit rating.

Legal vs. Practical Requirement

Legally, the executive branch is required to disburse funds as directed by Congress.

Practically, if there is no cash and borrowing is not possible (due to the debt ceiling or other factors), the Treasury must manage the crisis by delaying or prioritizing payments—despite the legal obligation to pay.

In short, deficit spending is usually managed through borrowing, but the combination of a deficit and a debt ceiling crisis can complicate or temporarily halt disbursement. Want to dive into debt prioritization or examples of how this has played out historically?

 

You said:

In this context, what is the difference between authorization and appropriation?

 

ChatGPT said:

Great question! In the federal budget process, authorization and appropriation are two distinct steps, each with a specific purpose and legal meaning. Here’s the breakdown:

1. AuthorizationPermission to Create or Continue a Program

What it does:

Establishes or defines a federal program or agency and specifies what it is allowed to do.

Sets maximum funding limits for the program (but doesn’t guarantee the money).

Key outcome: It’s a policy decision, outlining what Congress wants the government to do. The actual funding still requires another step—appropriation.

Example:

Congress authorizes a program to improve public transportation with a maximum funding cap of $1 billion per year.

Authorization bills often last for multiple years but need periodic renewal.

2. AppropriationActual Funding for the Program

What it does:

Provides the legal authority for the Treasury to spend money for the specific purpose outlined in the authorization.

Determines the exact amount of funding for a program, which may be less than or equal to the authorized amount.

Key outcome: This is the crucial step that puts money into the hands of agencies. No federal funds can be spent without an appropriation.

Example:

After authorizing $1 billion for public transportation, Congress may appropriate only $500 million for that year. The agency can spend only that $500 million.

Key Differences

Authorization

Appropriation

Defines or creates a program

Provides the actual money

Sets policy and funding limits

Specifies the exact dollar amount for spending

Can be multi-year

Usually for one fiscal year

Doesn’t permit spending on its own

Required for legal spending

Analogy:

Think of authorization as the blueprint for building a house and appropriation as the bank approving your loan. The blueprint gives you permission to build, but you can’t start construction until you have the cash in hand.

Let me know if you want real-world examples of how these processes affect specific programs!

 

You said:

What would happen if Congress appropriated money it had not previously authorized?

 

ChatGPT said:

If Congress appropriates money that has not been previously authorized, a few interesting scenarios could unfold. Let’s break it down.

1. Legally Allowed (in Certain Cases)

Appropriations can technically occur without authorization, especially for programs where an authorization has expired but Congress still wants to provide funding. This is known as "unauthorized appropriations."

Annual appropriations bills often fund certain programs that lack current authorization. For example, the State Department and National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) have occasionally received appropriations despite expired authorizations.

Why? Congress may prioritize funding to avoid disruptions in government services or critical programs, even if the program isn’t formally reauthorized.

2. Violation of House or Senate Rules (but Not Federal Law)

Both the House and Senate have rules against appropriating money for programs that haven’t been authorized. However, these rules are internal congressional rules, not federal law.

Congress can waive or ignore these rules at its discretion—this happens frequently, especially in areas like defense, health, or foreign aid.

Example: Congress might fund an emergency relief program without prior authorization to address an unexpected crisis.

3. Increased Risk of Mismanagement

Without an authorization process, there’s a higher chance that appropriations:

Lack clear objectives or legal guidance.

Create confusion in agencies on how the money should be spent.

Raise concerns about oversight and accountability.

Example: If Congress appropriates money for a program that doesn’t legally exist (because it was never authorized), the agency might struggle to determine how to implement it.

4. Possible Legal Challenges

If a program is funded without prior authorization and involves significant legal or constitutional questions, there could be a court challenge. For example:

If an appropriation conflicts with existing law.

If it funds activities that require specific statutory authorization (like military action).

However, courts are generally reluctant to intervene in appropriations decisions, viewing them as a political question for Congress and the executive branch.

Summary:

Not illegal, but potentially problematic in terms of oversight and accountability.

Congress can and does appropriate money for unauthorized programs when it deems it necessary.

It may raise political or practical issues, but federal agencies are generally required to spend the funds once appropriated.

Want examples of controversial unauthorized appropriations or cases where this caused problems?

 

You said:

Where is the difference between authorization and appropriation created? In the law, the constitution, or in House and Senate rules?

 

ChatGPT said:

The distinction between authorization and appropriation originates from congressional practice and internal rules, not directly from the U.S. Constitution. However, the foundation for this distinction is rooted in constitutional principles and has evolved through statutory law and House and Senate rules over time. Here’s a breakdown:

1. Constitutional Basis

The U.S. Constitution provides the broad framework for Congress’s power over federal spending, but it doesn’t explicitly differentiate between authorization and appropriation. The key constitutional provisions are:

Article I, Section 8: Grants Congress the power to "lay and collect taxes" and to "provide for the common defense and general welfare."

Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 (Appropriations Clause):

“No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law.”

This clause is the foundation for the appropriation requirement, ensuring Congress controls federal spending.

However: The Constitution does not say that every appropriation must be preceded by a separate authorization law. That’s where congressional rules and practices come into play.

2. Congressional Rules (House and Senate)

The House and Senate have internal rules that establish and maintain the separation between authorization and appropriation processes.

House Rule XXI and Senate Rule XVI prohibit appropriations for programs that haven’t been authorized. These rules are designed to ensure:

Policy clarity: Authorization provides policy direction.

Oversight: Prevents unchecked spending.

Budget discipline: Helps prioritize funding decisions.

These rules can be waived or ignored by Congress at any time, especially in situations where reauthorization lags behind actual funding needs.

3. Statutory Law

While the distinction itself isn’t defined by federal law, several statutes reinforce the idea that authorization and appropriation serve separate purposes:

Budget and Accounting Act of 1921: Established modern budgeting practices, requiring the president to submit an annual budget and Congress to manage appropriations.

Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974: Reinforced Congress’s control over spending and created the modern budget resolution process.

Antideficiency Act: Prohibits agencies from spending or obligating funds beyond what has been appropriated, underscoring the critical role of appropriation.

Summary:

Constitutional Foundation: The Appropriations Clause ensures no federal funds are spent without congressional approval.

Congressional Rules: The authorization-appropriation distinction is primarily created and enforced through House and Senate rules, not the Constitution or federal law.

Statutory Law: Supports modern budgeting practices but doesn’t mandate the distinction.

Let me know if you want to dive deeper into the specific rules in the House or Senate!

 

You said:

What specific provisions of the constitution or federal law require the executive branch to actually spend all the money that has been appropriated?

 

ChatGPT said:

There is no specific provision in the U.S. Constitution or federal law that explicitly requires the executive branch to spend every dollar appropriated by Congress. However, several constitutional principles and federal laws work together to create a strong expectation that the executive branch will fully execute appropriated funds as directed by Congress, with limited exceptions.

Here’s the breakdown:

1. The Constitutional Foundation

The U.S. Constitution provides Congress with the "power of the purse," while the executive branch is tasked with executing the laws passed by Congress.

Appropriations Clause (Article I, Section 9, Clause 7):

"No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law."
This means the executive cannot spend more than Congress appropriates, but it doesn’t impose an affirmative duty to spend all funds.

Take Care Clause (Article II, Section 3):

“[The President] shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.”
This clause requires the president and executive agencies to carry out the laws, including appropriations acts. Failing to spend appropriated funds may be considered a failure to execute the law.

2. Federal Statutes That Impose a Duty to Spend

While the Constitution provides the framework, federal laws clarify the obligation for the executive branch to spend appropriated funds.

A. Impoundment Control Act of 1974

This is the key federal law that restricts the president’s ability to withhold or delay spending.

Rescission: The president can propose canceling funds (rescission), but Congress must approve it within 45 days. If Congress does not approve, the funds must be spent.

Deferral: The president can temporarily delay spending for specific reasons (e.g., efficiency), but not for policy disagreements with Congress.

The Impoundment Control Act was passed to prevent abuses like those during the Nixon administration, where funds were withheld for political purposes.

B. The Antideficiency Act

This law prevents federal agencies from:

Spending more than the amount appropriated.

Refusing to spend appropriated funds when obligated by law to do so.

If agencies fail to disburse funds as required, they may violate the Antideficiency Act.

C. Program-Specific Statutes

Some programs, especially entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare, have statutes that mandate full and timely disbursement. Failure to spend funds in these programs could lead to legal challenges.

3. Practical and Legal Enforcement

Even though there is no single constitutional clause or statute saying "every dollar must be spent," the combination of the following creates an enforceable expectation:

Congressional oversight and investigations

GAO audits and legal opinions

Court rulings (e.g., the 1983 City of New Haven v. United States case, where courts held that the executive cannot refuse to disburse appropriated funds for policy reasons).

Failing to spend appropriated funds without lawful justification can result in legal consequences, including lawsuits or violations of the Impoundment Control Act.

Summary:

Constitutional principles (Appropriations Clause and Take Care Clause) imply the duty to spend.

Federal laws, especially the Impoundment Control Act of 1974 and Antideficiency Act, limit the executive’s ability to withhold or delay funds.

Program-specific statutes may explicitly mandate spending in some cases.

If you want, I can walk you through some historical examples where this became a big issue!

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You said:

What discretion does the President or the Attorney General have to decide which laws to enforce?

 

ChatGPT said:

The President and Attorney General have some discretion in deciding how to enforce laws, but that discretion is not absolute. It’s constrained by constitutional duties, federal statutes, and judicial precedent. Here’s how it works:

1. Constitutional Obligations

Take Care Clause (Article II, Section 3):

“[The President] shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.”
This clause establishes a fundamental duty for the President to enforce the laws passed by Congress. It limits outright refusal to enforce federal law but allows some discretion in how and when to apply those laws.

Separation of Powers: The executive branch is responsible for enforcing laws, but Congress has the power to create laws and control funding for enforcement. This dynamic creates room for prioritization and discretion.

2. Enforcement Discretion in Practice

Discretion exists at various levels of law enforcement, from setting broad policy priorities to making decisions in individual cases. This discretion can be exercised in several ways:

A. Prosecutorial Discretion

Federal prosecutors (under the Attorney General’s authority) have broad discretion to decide whether and how to prosecute cases.

Examples of prosecutorial discretion:

Deciding not to prosecute minor offenses due to limited resources.

Declining to enforce laws in cases of conflicting legal priorities (e.g., focusing on organized crime rather than low-level offenses).

B. Agency Enforcement Prioritization

Federal agencies have discretion in how they allocate resources and enforce laws. Since no agency can enforce every law to its fullest extent, they set enforcement priorities.

Examples:

Immigration enforcement: Prioritizing deportation of individuals with serious criminal records over non-criminals.

Environmental enforcement: Targeting large industrial polluters while leaving minor violations to state regulators.

C. Policy Guidance and Executive Orders

The president can issue executive orders or policy guidance that shape enforcement, though these cannot contradict existing laws or create new laws.

Example: The Obama administration’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program was an exercise in enforcement discretion, prioritizing protection for certain undocumented immigrants.

3. Limits on Discretion

Despite having discretion, there are legal and constitutional limits:

A. No Power to Ignore Laws Entirely

The president and attorney general cannot refuse to enforce an entire law based on policy disagreements with Congress. This would violate the Take Care Clause and could lead to lawsuits or congressional action.

Example: If Congress enacts a tax law, the president cannot instruct the IRS to ignore it entirely. However, the IRS could prioritize enforcement on larger tax evaders over small ones.

B. Courts Can Step In

Courts have the power to check the executive’s discretion if it becomes arbitrary, capricious, or unconstitutional.

Example: In United States v. Cox (1965), the court held that prosecutorial discretion is broad but not unlimited.

C. The Nondelegation Doctrine and Statutory Limits

Congress can pass laws that reduce or limit discretion in certain areas, requiring enforcement of specific actions (e.g., mandatory sentencing laws).

4. Political and Practical Constraints

In addition to legal limits, political pressure, public opinion, and congressional oversight play important roles in how discretion is exercised. Failing to enforce key laws could lead to:

Congressional investigations or impeachment threats.

Public backlash or challenges from state governments.

Summary:

Discretion exists, but it is not unlimited.

The President and Attorney General can prioritize enforcement, but they cannot ignore or nullify federal laws entirely.

Legal, political, and constitutional checks help ensure discretion is exercised responsibly.

Want examples where presidential discretion crossed into controversy or court challenges?

 

You said:

What power do the courts have to prevent an Executive Order from being rescinded?

 

ChatGPT said:

Courts have limited power to prevent an Executive Order (EO) from being rescinded by a president, but there are specific circumstances where courts can step in and block or delay the rescission. This depends on the legal basis of the executive order and whether the rescission violates constitutional rights or federal law. Here’s how it works:

1. The President’s Authority over Executive Orders

Executive orders are actions taken by the president to direct federal agencies on how to implement laws or policies. The power to issue and rescind executive orders is generally considered part of the president’s executive authority, meaning:

The president has broad discretion to modify or revoke executive orders.

Subsequent presidents can also rescind prior executive orders at will.

However, courts can intervene if the rescission violates existing laws or constitutional protections.

2. When Courts Can Block or Delay Rescission

Courts may prevent or delay the rescission of an executive order in the following situations:

A. If the Executive Order Creates Legal Rights or Protections

If an executive order has created reliance-based legal rights or benefits, courts can block the rescission on constitutional or procedural grounds.

Example: DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals)
In Department of Homeland Security v. Regents of the University of California (2020), the Supreme Court blocked the Trump administration’s attempt to rescind DACA because it failed to follow proper Administrative Procedure Act (APA) guidelines. The ruling did not say the president couldn’t end DACA, but that the process used was arbitrary and capricious.

B. Violation of Statutory Requirements

If rescinding an executive order would result in a violation of federal law, the courts can intervene.

Example: An executive order related to environmental regulations that contradicts a statutory requirement under the Clean Air Act could be subject to judicial review.

C. Constitutional Protections

If the rescission would violate constitutional rights (e.g., due process, equal protection), courts can stop it.

Example: An executive order providing specific protections to certain groups (e.g., workplace protections) might require the government to justify rescinding those protections without violating constitutional principles.

D. Procedural Failures (Administrative Procedure Act)

If the executive order involves an agency rule or policy subject to administrative law, rescission must follow proper procedures, including public notice and justification. Failing to do so can lead to court intervention.

3. When Courts Cannot Intervene

Courts are unlikely to prevent rescission if:

The executive order pertains solely to internal executive operations or foreign policy (e.g., military directives, diplomatic actions).

The rescission is part of the president’s discretionary authority without reliance-based interests or statutory conflicts.

Example: An executive order establishing a task force could be rescinded at any time without court review.

4. Summary

Courts cannot generally prevent a president from rescinding an executive order as long as it’s within their authority.

Courts can intervene if the rescission violates federal law, constitutional rights, or proper administrative procedures.

Notable cases like DACA show that courts may delay or block rescission if it affects established legal protections or fails to follow procedural rules.

If you're thinking of a specific executive order, I can walk you through whether it could be legally protected from rescission!

 

You said:

The example you just gave in your last answer, "2.B, Violation of Statutory Requirements", seems to be talking about implementing, not rescinding, an Executive Order that violates a statutory requirement under the Clean Air Act. The question is about rescinding Executive Orders, not issuing them.

 

ChatGPT said:

You’re absolutely right to call that out! Thanks for pointing that out, and you’re spot on—the example in 2.B was more about issuing an executive order that violates a statute, rather than rescinding one. When it comes to rescinding an executive order, the legal dynamics are a bit different, so let me clarify:

Courts and Rescinding Executive Orders: The Correct Scope

When a rescission is at issue, the focus is not on whether the original executive order violates a statutory requirement but whether the act of rescinding it violates a statutory mandate or creates legal consequences that contradict established law.

Courts might intervene if:

The rescission conflicts with a statutory requirement that mandates specific government actions.

Example: If an executive order directs an agency to fulfill specific reporting requirements under the Clean Air Act, and rescinding that order would effectively prevent compliance with that law, courts could block the rescission.

The distinction is that the law—not the executive order—sets the legal obligation, and rescinding the order may cause a statutory violation.

Revised Example (Statutory Conflict upon Rescission)

Suppose an executive order mandates that all federal agencies assess and report on carbon emissions to comply with a statutory requirement under the Clean Air Act. If a new president rescinds that executive order, effectively stopping agencies from fulfilling the statutory reporting requirement, courts could step in.

Why? Not because the executive order created the requirement, but because its rescission leads to a violation of existing law.

Key Difference Between Issuing and Rescinding

Issuing an executive order can be challenged if it conflicts with a federal statute or the Constitution.

Rescinding an executive order can be challenged only if the rescission:

Violates statutory mandates or constitutional protections.

Disrupts legally protected reliance interests without proper procedural justification (e.g., DACA).

Let me know if you want specific court cases where rescission became the issue—it’s a fascinating area with lots of nuance!

 

You said:

Back to the issue of whether or not a president can withhold appropriated money. What about the situation where he believes the appropriation puts national security at risk?

 

ChatGPT said:

If a president believes that spending an appropriated sum of money would endanger national security, their ability to withhold or delay those funds is very limited under existing law. However, there are some exceptions and potential legal justifications the president might attempt to use. Here’s how it breaks down:

1. The General Rule: The President Must Spend Appropriated Funds

Under the Impoundment Control Act of 1974 (ICA), the president cannot refuse to spend money appropriated by Congress unless:

Congress approves a rescission request (which rarely happens).

The withholding is a temporary deferral for legitimate policy reasons (but not to undermine the law).

The ICA was enacted precisely to prevent presidents from unilaterally blocking appropriated funds, after President Nixon withheld funds from programs he politically opposed.

2. National Security Exceptions & Workarounds

While the ICA limits the president’s ability to withhold appropriated funds, there are some ways a president might legally justify it:

A. Specific Statutory Authority (e.g., Foreign Aid)

Some appropriations bills include national security waiver provisions allowing the president to delay, redirect, or withhold funds.

Example: Foreign Military Financing (FMF) programs often contain provisions allowing the president to pause funding for national security reasons.

B. The Antideficiency Act

The Antideficiency Act generally prevents agencies from spending money that has not been appropriated, but it does not directly allow withholding appropriated funds.

However, in a national emergency, a president might attempt to claim that spending certain funds would violate other laws (e.g., laws against aiding adversaries).

C. Emergency Powers & National Security Directives

The National Emergencies Act allows the president to declare a national emergency, which can sometimes allow temporary redirection of funds.

Example: Trump’s 2019 national emergency declaration redirected military funds to border wall construction, arguing national security concerns.

However, such actions are often challenged in court, and Congress can overturn an emergency declaration with a joint resolution (though this requires a veto-proof majority).

D. Article II Commander-in-Chief Powers

If the president believes that spending money as appropriated would aid an enemy or harm national security, they might attempt to invoke Article II powers to override Congress.

However, courts have historically been skeptical of such claims unless they involve active wartime conditions.

3. Real-World Example: Ukraine Aid and the GAO Ruling

In 2019, the Trump administration withheld nearly $400 million in congressionally appropriated military aid to Ukraine, citing concerns about corruption and U.S. interests.

The Government Accountability Office (GAO) later ruled that this violated the Impoundment Control Act, stating that:

“The law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law.”

This case illustrates that "national security concerns" are not a legally sufficient reason for withholding funds unless explicitly authorized by law.

4. Can the Courts Stop the President?

Congress and the GAO can rule that withholding funds is illegal, but actually forcing the president to release the money is complicated.

Lawsuits may take months or years to resolve.

Courts might defer to the executive branch on military or national security matters, but they are unlikely to uphold a blanket refusal to spend appropriated funds.

5. Summary:

General rule: The president must spend appropriated money, even if they think it threatens national security.

Possible exceptions:

Statutory waivers in appropriations bills (common in foreign aid).

National emergencies (but subject to legal challenge).

Military/national defense reasons (but this is a weak argument unless in wartime).

Recent precedent (Ukraine aid case) suggests courts and Congress will reject a president's attempt to withhold money for policy reasons.

Would you like a deeper dive into a particular historical case where this happened?

 

You said:

What if the president has uncovered evidence that the appropriation would fund a fraudulent program? Or that a particular program is rife with fraud?

 

ChatGPT said:

If the president or an executive agency discovers evidence of fraud in a program that is funded by a congressional appropriation, the president cannot unilaterally withhold or cancel the funds without following established legal processes. However, there are legal tools available to delay, investigate, or redirect the funds within certain limits. Here’s how that works:

1. The President Cannot Unilaterally Cancel the Funds

The Impoundment Control Act of 1974 (ICA) does not allow the president to withhold funds permanently, even if fraud is suspected. The president must notify Congress and seek their approval for any rescission (permanent cancellation) of the funds.

Without approval from Congress, the executive branch is legally required to spend the money as appropriated.

2. Available Legal Options for Addressing Fraud

The president or relevant agencies can take legitimate steps to delay or redirect funds if fraud is discovered:

A. Temporary Deferrals under the Impoundment Control Act

The president can request a temporary deferral of funds if necessary to address fraud, mismanagement, or to ensure efficiency.

Deferrals cannot be used to completely stop spending, but they can buy time to investigate and implement corrective measures.

B. Program Audits and Investigations

Federal agencies can pause or slow down the distribution of funds by initiating audits, investigations, or enhanced oversight procedures through the:

Office of Inspector General (OIG) within the relevant agency.

Government Accountability Office (GAO) for independent audits.

Example: If fraud is detected in a grant program, the relevant agency might temporarily suspend disbursement while investigating.

C. Suspension and Debarment

Agencies have authority to suspend or debar contractors, vendors, or grantees suspected of fraud. This can prevent funds from being distributed to bad actors while preserving the legality of the underlying appropriation.

Statutory Basis: The Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) provides guidance for suspending federal funds to fraudulent entities.

Example: The Department of Justice (DOJ) or Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) can suspend payments to providers found to be defrauding Medicaid.

D. Referring the Fraud for Criminal Investigation

If fraud is found, the matter can be referred to the Department of Justice (DOJ) for criminal investigation and prosecution. However, this does not immediately stop the funding, and the program continues unless Congress intervenes.

3. What About Legislative Fixes?

The best long-term solution for addressing fraud in an appropriated program is to work with Congress to:

Amend the law to impose stricter controls on how funds are spent.

Rescind or reappropriate funds with additional safeguards.

4. Real-World Examples

Hurricane Relief Fraud (2006): After the discovery of fraud in FEMA’s post-Katrina relief programs, the agency temporarily halted disbursements, but Congress ultimately needed to adjust future appropriations to implement stronger controls.

COVID-19 Relief Fraud (2020–2021): Billions in fraudulent claims were uncovered in programs like the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP). The executive branch initiated audits and investigations but could not simply stop the programs without congressional action.

5. Summary:

The president cannot unilaterally withhold or cancel funds, even if fraud is found.

Temporary deferrals, audits, and investigations are legal tools to pause or slow disbursement.

Permanent solutions require congressional approval (rescission) or new legislation.

If you want, I can provide more detail on the Impoundment Control Act’s deferral process or specific legal mechanisms for fraud investigations.


Can he really do that?! Copy Link View Canhereallydothat Wednesday, February 5, 2025 at 11:14:37 am trump, doge, executive order, usds Matt Collins

If you think Trump's Executive Order creates DOGE out of thin air, and that he is exceeding his authority by doing so, you should really read the article "Trump’s DOGE Order: A Legal Masterstroke That the Media Lied About".

So yes.  He can.  I'm not saying he should, but he can.

OK... yes, I am also saying he should.

But the question is can he?  And yes.  He can.


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